The Joy Tuck Club
A podcast that celebrates the diversity and beauty of transgender identities and expressions.
How well do you truly understand the vibrant spectrum of transgender identities? Get ready to challenge and expand your perspectives as we share personal stories, debunk myths, share news, and provide helpful insights, advice on transitioning, and tips on being a better ally.
The Joy Tuck Club
Satan Transed Our Child
How well do you truly understand the vibrant spectrum of transgender identities? Get ready to challenge and expand your perspectives as we share personal stories, debunk myths, and provide helpful insights about the transgender experience. Beginning with the pivotal question "How do you know you're trans?", we navigate the complex terrain of transgender identities, shattering the notion that it is simply about cross-dressing. We also take a look at the DSM's six criteria for diagnosing gender dysphoria and offer a more relatable checklist that could help you or someone you love gain clarity about gender identity.
Moving to the forefront of transgender issues, we discuss California's historic recognition of Transgender History Month, Lady Gaga's advocacy for our community, and the recent controversy surrounding Dr Who actor David Tennant. We dissect the falsehood that androgynous nicknames influence children's gender identities, and celebrate Lady Gaga's support of our community. Wrapping up, we guide you through the often daunting process of coming out. From personal anecdotes of Instagram mishaps to the serious matter of securing safety, we share our wisdom and strategies. Whether for yourself or to better understand a friend or family member, tune in for an enriching episode on the transgender experience.
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Rachel:Hello and welcome to another episode of the Joy Tuck Club, a podcast that celebrates the diversity and beauty of transgender individuals and expressions. I'm Rachel and with me is my co-host, the beautiful Phoebe. We are also known as Red and Freckles and are the team behind two damp trans. Say hello, Phoebe.
Phoebe:Hi, rachel. Hey, wasn't that a great interview we did with Mayer last week. I don't know anyone who's done so many surgeries in such a short amount of time. You know, like she said, she was speedrunning her transition. She hit five different countries. She had every operation that we talked about for gender affirming care and then some, and then she also had the first one that was ever done for a Western trans woman, or the details in the episode. You need to listen to it because it's too much to fit in here. But what did you think?
Rachel:I know I loved it. It was so much fun listening to Mayer. We had some great feedback. A cis friend of mine actually said to me that Mayer's explanations were phenomenal. She was so down to earth but so emotional about her transition. More people need to listen to understand. Yeah, so you know, and you can find the full hour plus interview under transition special from you know all the normal places.
Phoebe:Oh, the normal places. So, moving on, each episode we're going to discuss a transition topic, and this week it's starting at the beginning. How do you know you're trans? And there is a simple answer to that. But let's get one thing out of the way first. Some gender crits, those gender criticals and turfs et cetera I'm just bundling them up together have claimed it's just a fetish, that it's all about cross dressing. Rachel, would you care to strip this myth down to its bare naked bones for our listeners? It would be my pleasure.
Rachel:Hello listeners, this is Rachel, the ghost of podcast future, popping back in to say that, due to heavy rain when we were recording this episode of the Joy Tuck Club, the next six minutes will have some background noise that we only realized the mics had picked up after we'd wrapped soz. You know, I knew I was different when I was about age six and I didn't have a name for that, but it manifested itself in cross dressing. I mean, I'm honest and open about stuff, and back in the day cross dressing used to be thought of as a fetish and some dirty little secret and you know. But that's just what we've all been conditioned to think, so sorry to interrupt.
Phoebe:You knew you were trans, since you were. What five, six?
Rachel:No, I knew I was different. I knew I was different to all the other boys.
Phoebe:Yeah.
Rachel:You know, I wanted to play with the girls, I wanted to work early stuff, I wanted to make up and that. So, yeah, I used to cross dress. It would start out with maybe just some underwear under my clothes and then two, three weeks down the line I'd find myself standing in front of a mirror, like fully made up, wearing a pair of heels, wearing a dress, and then suddenly this overwhelming feeling of guilt crashing is like what am I doing? And then you'd swear off it, chuck away all the clothes, say you're never going to do it again. And then you start up again.
Phoebe:That little bit at the beginning is enough to make you feel normal, yeah, but then it's not enough, because your new normal becomes different and you need to feel normal again. This is what we talked about in the very first episode. Was that transitioning is just about becoming normal? Yeah, as much as we can, normalizing our body, with our mind, with how we look, with how we feel.
Phoebe:Yeah, absolutely Well, that was great, thank you, that's okay, so it's a really good question before we get into answering the main topic is if you're trans, you're not alone, but how many are we?
Rachel:So transgender identity is generally found in less than 1% of the worldwide population, with figures ranging from under 0.1% to 1.6%.
Phoebe:What I did find when I looked into this as well is that it varies very much by region and country.
Rachel:You know if you've got how accepting they are. There's transgender people, yeah.
Phoebe:I mean, you're going to put your hand up if you're in well a part of the world. We're doing so. We'll get you thrown in jail immediately. You're shot or worse. Yeah, so we do know that there's no one way to be trans. People express their identity and their gender in all sorts of different ways.
Rachel:Is there an official way to be trans?
Phoebe:There isn't, but there are certain characteristics you can have, apparently, that will qualify you for health insurance and treatment in parts of the world that follow this particular guide.
Rachel:Is that the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders? It is. I thought so. The DSM lists six symptoms of gender dysphoria, and if you had two of them for six months, then you passed their bar. You are trans, congratulations. Do you want me to read the list?
Phoebe:Actually, let's not. It's boring and medical. Let's be realists. You mean with a real list? Yes, We've already compiled a more user-friendly list of clues to help you answer the question. Are you trans?
Rachel:Some of these align with the official criteria from the DSM, while others are just experiences that seem to happen if you are, but in all cases, all you need to know regarding a medical diagnosis is that if you think you are trans, if you say you are trans, you already qualify for the treatment you need.
Phoebe:So here they are, and definitely not in any specific order. Let's go.
Rachel:Okay, the first one is fantasising and dreaming about being the opposite gender. I can certainly relate to this one, especially after I discovered the website at fictionmaniatv, which is transgender fiction, body swap, magical rings, all this sort of stuff. I spent a lot of time on there.
Phoebe:I remember you sent me there too, yeah.
Rachel:All right.
Phoebe:Next one choosing a character of the opposite gender in video games. And just to be clear, because the cis will say it's things like well, you know, I just want to look at that cute ass in front of me, or something like that. Nothing to do with that, no.
Rachel:Body feels wrong hating, wanting breasts, feeling like you have the wrong genitals and can't bear others to see them.
Phoebe:Tucking in the mirror, wearing extra underwear to tuck or tight tops to bind.
Rachel:And finding excuses to act like the opposite gender. And this was me. Start cycling or swimming so you can shave your legs. Also, me wearing tights as an extra layer because it's cold.
Phoebe:Oh, I used to do that with. I'd have business suits on top with tights underneath. Yeah, being more comfortable with people of the opposite gender. Yeah, this really struck me when I went from being in all boys' school to a year in a co-ed school and suddenly, you know, I had just exclusively girlfriends and it was fantastic. We hung out, would go have coffee. It was a beautiful experience, yeah.
Rachel:I envy you, yeah, deliberately packing light for a holiday so you run out of clothes and have to borrow your partners. Is this another one? That's just me.
Phoebe:I never thought to do that, that's just you.
Rachel:Yeah, every holiday. If you look at my holiday photos, always towards the end.
Phoebe:Oh.
Rachel:I'm not wearing my t-shirts anymore.
Phoebe:Oh well, how about this one? Envious of people of the opposite gender? And for me? I'm not staring because of any other reason, but I love what you're wearing, yeah.
Rachel:I feel that one as well. Okay, not sure if you are attracted to or want to be someone of the opposite gender.
Phoebe:Oh yeah, that's a tricky one.
Rachel:Or both. Well, why not my case?
Phoebe:Transponds yeah, not wanting to be seen as having a gender at all.
Rachel:Yeah, being called effeminate if you were assigned male at birth, or a tomboy if assigned female and knowing you won't just grow out of it.
Phoebe:Right, no matter what everyone says, naturally using the mannerisms and gestures of the opposite sex and forcing yourself to conform to gendered expectations to fit in. That was exhausting. Yes, I always had to control the way my hands moved, my arms flew about and so forth, even the way I spoke.
Rachel:Now you just let them fly.
Phoebe:I do Often into other people's faces or you know, sorry Anyone who's been hit by me accidentally.
Rachel:Apology accepted Using or not using makeup when the other is expected.
Phoebe:Can't relate to your assigned gender at birth. For example, wondering why others of your assigned gender behave the way they do Pretty much describes my entire life looking at boys and men getting up to stuff and me just not understanding the point of any of it or why they wanted to.
Rachel:This reminds me of after my egg cracked and still having to use the mail changing room at work. I was just looking around thinking I don't belong here. These people are completely alien to me.
Phoebe:Yeah, current work.
Rachel:Yeah, yeah, current work Moving swiftly on and finally be a mistaken for gay, which is actually accurate in my case. So even if you relate to just a few of these, you may well be trans, and all we can say is lovely to meet you.
Phoebe:And welcome to the club.
Rachel:There's a lovely tweet that I saved and it's from Laura on Twitter. She's atleylalita and she says ladies, if he just isn't like other guys is really great, suspiciously great, in fact. Again, just totally not like other guys, somehow, then that's not your man, that's your woman. She just hasn't started transitioning yet. That is good. I think that applies to a lot of trans people.
Phoebe:Yes, Wow, what a start. But we've now reached that time in the podcast where we dive into the murky waters of trans news and attempt to distill the love from the hate and produce a more palatable version of positive transgender news for you, our listeners. Rachel, intro, please Thank you. That's become quite your signature move. So what news have we extracted for this episode?
Rachel:Here are this episode's headlines the Golden State makes history by making Transgender History Month official.
Phoebe:There's a new Doctor who villain in town, and her name is Posey Parker.
Rachel:Hey Pastor, Convincing nicknames are the work of the devil and our trans in kids.
Phoebe:Wait, Red, are you saying? People with nicknames are trans?
Rachel:I'll let you make up your own mind on that. One Freckles Lady Gaga reflexes back.
Phoebe:Our first story is California becoming the first US state to officially recognize Transgender History Month, a significant step in LGBTQ plus representation and education.
Rachel:The decision was reached after lawmakers voted in favour of House resolution 57, not to be confused with Heinz 57. It was originally introduced by Assembly Member Matty Haney.
Phoebe:And beginning in 2024,. The Golden State has officially recognised August as Transgender History Month.
Rachel:Prior to this statewide recognition, certain cities in California, such as San Francisco and Santa Clara, independently recognised Transgender History Month.
Phoebe:A press conference was held after the vote, with participation from Haney and various trans activists, including Honey Mahogany, the chair of the San Francisco Democratic Party and former Drag Race star. They highlighted the importance of this recognition in the face of violence and anti-trans legislation.
Rachel:Transgender History Month is seen as an opportunity to educate people and counter misinformation and anti-trans rhetoric, because there's not much of that around at the moment, is there?
Phoebe:Oh no. The event also aims to humanise the transgender community by sharing their history, educating others and promoting self-expression and personal liberation. Much like this podcast.
Rachel:Absolutely. This recognition adds to a series of measures already taken by California to support transgender citizens, including protections for families of trans youth refugees and prioritising gender-affirming care.
Phoebe:And it marks a significant step forward in LGBTQ plus representation and education. Well done, california hey.
Rachel:Freckles. It would seem Doctor who has a new nemesis in the shape of Posey Parker. She's previously embraced Nazis at her rallies and now has decided to take on the Tenant Army. What's?
Phoebe:this all about? This is a crazy story. Anti-trans activists and Queen Turf Posey Parker, also known as Kelly J Keane, made a contentious statement on social media about actor David Tenant, probably best known for his portrayal of Doctor who and, more recently, the demon Crawley in the excellent series Good Omens.
Rachel:Parker's remark involved a photo of David wearing a pin with the rainbow pride flag and trans pride colours, along with the words you are safe with me.
Phoebe:That's lovely, but Parker commented. His pin reads hey, little girl, do you want to see some puppies? Insinuating that he is a pedophile due to his support for the trans community.
Rachel:David Tenant is a long time ally of LGBTQ plus people, in particular, those who identify as non-binary, and he frequently appears in interviews wearing pride pins, as his fourth child, wilfred, identifies as non-binary.
Phoebe:Right.
Rachel:But this is not the first time David Tenant has faced backlash from anti-trans individuals for supporting trans rights. He was once called a groomer for wearing a t-shirt that said leave trans kids alone, you absolute freaks.
Phoebe:At his allyship doesn't just extend to pin badges and t-shirts, though. Speaking on the reasons to be cheerful podcast, back in June, he shared a heartfelt pride message and explained that he's dedicated to fighting that fight for LGBTQ plus people every day.
Rachel:And he said do you know what's making me cheerful at the moment? It's Pride Month, the fact that Pride Month exists and is flourishing and is something that's happening at a time when the world seems to be, getting it, in some corners, warringly intolerant and weirdly backwards.
Phoebe:He also continued we can't take our foot off the gas. We can't expect that we will always travel in the right direction, towards acceptance.
Rachel:We've all got to be fighting that fight every day, so we can expect Cybermen, and Daleks at Park is next anti-trans rally, as well as Nazis.
Phoebe:Yeah, they're all going to be yelling exterminator, aren't they?
Rachel:No change there then.
Phoebe:I've got a question for you.
Rachel:I love questions.
Phoebe:Do you hate pasta? No, I fucking love it. Well, hate pasta. I couldn't resist Henry Schaefer speaking at a conference run by anti-LGBTQ plus pastor Greg Locke. That's a lot of pasta. It is Claim that giving children androgynous nicknames could lead them to become transgender A notion, I might add, that is not supported by scientific evidence.
Rachel:Really, you do surprise me. He specifically mentioned that names like Sam, short for Samantha or Samuel, are non-gender specific and may confuse children about their gender identity.
Phoebe:Schaefer claimed it's the devil who allows kids to shorten names, a decision which then sets them on a path towards a gender transition.
Rachel:The comments took place during a Labor Day conference organised by pastor Greg Locke's Global Vision Bible Church, known for its strong anti-LGBTQ plus stance.
Phoebe:Locke has made derogatory comments about LGBTQ plus individuals, before describing them as demonic and perverted, and has expressed hostility to transgender people In February 2022,.
Rachel:Locke also threatened to expose six witches who allegedly infiltrated his Tennessee church unless they voluntarily left his congregation. He sounds like a completely sane person.
Phoebe:Oh, indeed. So, just to reiterate, schaefer's claims are not supported by the scientific understanding of gender identity, which is rooted in an individual's deep sense of self rather than the nickname they are given. Well said, freckles.
Rachel:Thank you, Ed. Okay, anyway, you'll be pleased to hear that our next story is hate free.
Phoebe:Following on from the report last episode of Queen Bee's Dating Trans is Beautiful, comes the news of another megastar coming out swinging for the trans community.
Rachel:I've got something to say about trans rights in this country. The Lady Gaga delivered a powerful message of support for the trans community in Las Vegas by performing her LGBTQ plus anthem born this way.
Phoebe:The pop icon, known for unforgettable hits and unwavering support for the community, recently delivered a powerful message of solidarity to the trans community during her Las Vegas performance.
Rachel:Gaga has been a prominent advocate for LGBTQ plus rights, openly identifying as bisexual and using her influence to condemn anti LGBTQ plus legislation and rhetoric.
Phoebe:In her remarkable twist, she stripped down her iconic anthem and sang it with heartfelt sincerity, connecting deeply with her audience.
Rachel:Toward the end of her performance, gaga urged people to listen to the stories of real lives, underscoring the significance of empathy and understanding. Baby I was found this way. I remember her being asked in an interview whether the rumour that she had a penis was true, and she replied so what if I do?
Phoebe:Oh, my God.
Rachel:She's truly an icon.
Phoebe:Yeah, I think I need to remember to do that too. I mean, what does it matter to anyone else? It shouldn't, it doesn't? Well, good on her.
Rachel:You know, freckles, it's been a while since the gender criticals of Boycott had anything because they feature a trans person in some way.
Phoebe:Well read. Yo waiters over Cue jingle.
Rachel:DC Boycott of the Week.
Phoebe:That's awesome. This news is hot off the press and the company lucky enough to not have to deal with these vile bigots anymore is brawn.
Rachel:Yep. This is because they've featured a topless trans man using their series X hybrid trimmers, the shaving accessory for beard hair and head hair, offering styling and trimming from head to toe.
Phoebe:The fact that you can see his top surgery scars is what has them foaming at the mouth.
Rachel:Mayor Four Stata said that promoting the removal of healthy breast tissue is not only shockingly immoral but against advertising standards. Guidance to not glamourise or trivialise cosmetic surgery.
Phoebe:She then continued brawn executives must have been living under a rock if they think that this campaign represents inclusivity. The reality is that brawn has now written itself into history as promoting social contagion and what will become one of the most notorious medical scandals.
Rachel:They are claiming that the ad goes against ASA guidance that warns against glamourising or trivialising the decision to have cosmetic surgery. We should never be portrayed as safe, easy or risk free.
Phoebe:Wait, but it's not cosmetic, I know Ha. They just hate anything that reminds the world that trans people exist.
Rachel:Well, brawn are okay in my book and as soon as we're done I'm off to buy a hybrid ex to give my lady garden a trim In custard coffee, Exactly while drinking a Bud Light.
Phoebe:Oh, wonderful. We're now at the part of the podcast where we'll be answering any transition related questions or offering information on all aspects of being trans, from how to come out to what to wear when you go out. Gosh, who wrote that? That's brilliant.
Rachel:Some clever person. We should just point out that the content of this podcast is for general information and entertainment purposes only. You should always seek the advice of a qualified expert before making any decisions based on the information provided.
Phoebe:Now the boring bits out of the way. Could we have the first question please? Of course.
Rachel:Now in the future we would hope that you, our dear listeners, would be sending some questions in, but this week our questions come from the Reddit Ask Transgender forum and the first one is about coming out. I want to ask a friend group to try out a new name slash, new pronouns for me. I think one of them is mildly anti-trans but tends to be pretty respectful, and the other seems pretty accepting. I'm confident that it's safe to come out. My problem I'm not sure how to build other confidence to come out. I'm also unsure how would be best. I could just send a message in a shared discord server or I could try to talk to people individually. Does anyone have any advice or encouragement for me? Thanks in advance.
Phoebe:We were talking about this just the other day. You had a really good answer, so do you want to kick on with that?
Rachel:I mean it's crazy that we actually have to come out Right, we have to let the world know. But I get a For me. When I came out, I had a list of very close family friends that I wanted to do it face to face. So I had like a, an inner circle that I needed to tell face to face close friends, family Even though I accidentally outed myself to my kids on Instagram but that can be a story for another episode. Yeah, so I did them face to face, the important ones, and then my plan was I was going to then let the wider friend group acquaintances and people that you kind of used to know but don't really stay in touch with I was going to do that on Facebook.
Rachel:I was going to put up a post saying, hi, I now identify as this blah blah, blah, blah, and then sort of direct people to a new Facebook page. So if they wanted to follow me, if they wanted to keep in touch, then this is where they could find me. Yeah, but as it happens, I didn't actually do that because I don't use Facebook anymore. But my advice would be if there are a close friend group, don't do it in a message. You know, be important people face to face, and yeah, that's about it. You know, do the people you care about face to face, and then everyone's going to find out by word of mouth anyway, because once you've started that ball rolling, once you've opened that box and it's out there, then people are going to hear but yeah, what do you think?
Phoebe:I think that's great advice, also by face to face, I assume. Like my family was very scattered, I was in the US, had to call back to Australia, for example Face to face also, just face time or whatever video calling you use. I think is also suitable if it needs to be.
Rachel:Okay, I was just thinking whether this would be a good time to insert my favourite coming out story. Go on, do you think? Yeah? So what are my favourite? And you know, this was my favourite coming out ever. Yeah, and it was actually to someone that I didn't really know. We were work colleagues, knew each other well enough just to sort of say hi, and I remember it was a cold, wet night shift at work and at the time I was only out to four people my wife, my counsellor, hr and one of the senior management at work and I was outside in the smoking area and across from me was a co-worker Her name's Jade.
Phoebe:Yeah.
Rachel:Who I only knew well enough to exchange pleasantries, but we'd never really spoken before. You know, because in my previous life I kept myself to myself. I'd been the grey man, tried not to draw attention to myself and remain unforgivable in the background for most conversations. And so we're sat across from each other, not talking, and I don't know why. I just I had a feeling something compelled me to out myself to her, so I simply asked can I tell you something nobody else knows? Okay, she replied. I think she'd been on her phone and just sort of now I had her attention. Yeah, so I held my breath and spoke the words I'm transgender, and you know I couldn't have asked for a better response. That's amazing. She said I want to give you a hug, and then stood up and walked over to me. I stood up and we hugged for what seemed like the longest time, and neither of us knew it.
Rachel:But in that moment, that show of trust, that leap of faith that I took, we formed a kind of bond and it was the start of what turned out to be, and still is, an amazing friendship. You know, from that moment, jade has never, once dead, named or misgendered me. She became my rock, the one person that I could turn to when I needed someone, and you know she'll downplay her part in my transition. But I cannot I cannot overstate the support she's given me, and I'm not exaggerating it when I say that I may not be here if it wasn't for her. You know she's been there for so many firsts. She was the first person who invited me out as Rachel. You know, the first time I went into female toilets was with Jade, you know, and for that and for many other things, I'm eternally grateful.
Phoebe:Yeah.
Rachel:Get a little bit teary actually, uh-huh me too.
Phoebe:Okay, it's hard to imagine a better experience than that. Yes, yeah.
Rachel:Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I took that leap. I didn't know her, I just had that feeling.
Phoebe:Yeah, and they've become so close.
Rachel:Yeah, it's not all been one way. No, you know I'm there for her. I would donate a body organ for Jade.
Phoebe:Oh, private joke. Yeah, that was, that was marvelous. Thank you for sharing that. Moving on, though, we must do we have another question.
Rachel:Yeah, we do. And our second question you know, the first one's about coming out, but this is this is for kind of kind of linked, so the question is how? So I recently cracked and it's seeming more and more likely I could be trans. However, I'm still not 100% and I'm frequently filled with overwhelming doubt. Despite this, I was thinking that, because of the long wait times on a lot of things couldn't be worth getting them moving now, as I don't know how I'd feel, knowing I potentially wasted this time. While I'm being into indecisive, Knowing some of your thoughts would be super appreciated. Thank you, Phoebe. Do you want to take this one?
Phoebe:Sure, Okay. So this person is asking if they should just get on with things because there are very long wait times involved in getting all any kind of trans or gender, especially as they're in the UK, as we touched on in our first episode.
Phoebe:Yeah, I've got a really simple answer to this. There's there's lots of things you can do whilst you're waiting for the healthcare system, and there are things you can do if you don't want to wait for the healthcare system. So firstly, of course, you need to socially transition. That's a requirement for for the healthcare in the UK. Is this put? We don't know. We don't know, sounds like it. All right. The other thing is that they seem worried about jumping onto the list if they're not actually trans. But that's just jumping on a list. That's not affecting anyone in any way, because if they decide through the early stages of transition that they're actually not trans, then they just come off the list and the rest of the queue moves forward one space. They're not taking anything from someone, because if they decide instead that they are actually trans, then of course they've got their place in the list.
Rachel:Yeah, yeah and so, yeah, that's good advice. I'd just like to add to that that you know being on these lists is all part of the journey and you might actually need to be on that list. I don't know if they're talking about the gender identity clinic and therapy and all this sort of thing, but you might need to go through that to help you work out or confirm what you suspect. Yeah, so you know you absolutely have the right to be on this list. It's not like you're a trans woman taken of cis woman space in a marathon Space number six thousand six thousand?
Rachel:Yeah yeah, that absolutely doesn't apply. Yeah yeah, have we covered that one. Okay, so are we going to try and cram anything else into this already bulging episode?
Phoebe:We can't tuck anything further in. Let's call it a wrap. Yeah, thank you so much for listening, for tuning in and being part of our community. If you want to connect with us further, please visit our website, thejoytuckclubcom. We can find show notes, resources, transcripts and more. As soon as we get them up, you can follow us on Twitter never going to call X.
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